Hail and Damaging Winds in New York, July 28, 2008

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT
407 PM EDT MON JUL 28 2008

.SYNOPSIS...
SCATTERED SHOWER ACTIVITY WILL DIMINISH LATE THIS EVENING. TUESDAY
IS EXPECTED TO BE PRIMARILY DRY...ALTHOUGH A STRAY SHOWER IS
POSSIBLE ACROSS THE NORTHEAST KINGDOM. PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY
SKIES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE NORTHERN MOUNTAINS...WITH MORE SUN
IN THE SOUTHERN SECTIONS. UNSETTLED WEATHER AND INCREASING CHANCES
FOR RAIN WILL AGAIN RETURN TO THE REGION LATE TUESDAY NIGHT AND
INTO WEDNESDAY.

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.NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM TUESDAY MORNING/...
AS OF 333 PM EDT MONDAY...MAJORITY OF THE CWA HAS HAD A DRY
DAY...AS ALL WE HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN A FEW SMALL SHOWERS POP UP.
THE BIGGER STUFF HAS STAYED EAST AND SOUTH OF HERE. FEELING IS
THAT THE PATCH OF MID LEVEL CLOUDS THAT MOVED IN EARLIER IN THE
DAY HELPED KEEP INSTABILITY LEVELS MUCH LOWER. WE STILL HAVE ONE
MORE UPPER LEVEL TROF TO MOVE ACROSS...SO ALTHOUGH WE WILL BE
LOOSING THE SUN IN A FEW HOURS...THE DYNAMICS ALOFT WILL
COMPENSATE. THUS CHANCE FOR SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE
EVENING. THINK WE MAY SEE THE SHOWERS FOCUS A LITTLE MORE ALONG
THE LEADING EDGE OF THAT UPPER TROF AND SURFACE WIND SHIFT FROM
SOUTHERLY TO WEST/NORTHWEST. NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING WIDESPREAD
WITH PRECIP. DOUBT IF EVEN WE WILL SEE ANY THUNDER TOO. OKAY...PERHAPS
A COUPLE OF CLOUD TO GROUND STRIKES...MOST LIKELY IN THE ST LAWRENCE
VALLEY. MODELS SEEM TO HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON THE PRECIP WITH THE
TROF...SHOULD BE MOVING THRU THE ST LAWRENCE VALLEY AROUND
00Z...AND INTO THE CHAMPLAIN VALLEY ABOUT 04Z AND THEN BY 06Z IN
NE VERMONT. AGAIN...NONE OF THE SHOWERS SHOULD BE HEAVY AND
AVERAGE QPF VALUES SHOULD ONLY BE ON ORDER OF A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF
AN INCH. HAVE ADDED IN SOME PATCHY VALLEY FOG FOR AFTER MIDNIGHT.
SOME QUESTION AS TO HOW MUCH MAY OCCUR...WILL DEPEND ON THE
CLOUDS...BUT WITH MOS GUIDANCE SUGGESTING VSBYS DOWN TO 1/2 MILE
OR SO AT PLACES LIKE MONTPELIER...SPRINGFIELD...SARANAC LAKE
REALLY CANT IGNORE THAT POSSIBILITY. CERTAINLY HAVE LIGHT WINDS
AND LOW LEVEL MOISTURE.

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.SHORT TERM /6 AM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...
AS OF 333 PM EDT MONDAY...TRIED MY BEST TO KEEP A DRY FORECAST FOR
THE ENTIRE AREA ON TUESDAY...BUT COULDNT AVOID INCLUDING SMALL
(15-20%) CHANCE OF LIGHT SHOWERS UP IN THE NE KINGDOM TOMORROW.
ALTHOUGH WEAK RIDGING WILL BE TRYING TO BUILD IN ALOFT...WE WILL
HAVE A LOT OF MOISTURE TRAPPED UNDER A WEAK INVERSION AROUND
5000FT. THAT MEANS WIDESPREAD STRATOCU AS WELL...ESPECIALLY ACROSS
THE NORTHERN MTNS OF THE ADIRONDACKS AND GREENS. A FEW LIGHT
SPRITZES OF RAIN MAY FALL IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF THE NE KINGDOM.
SORRY...BUT IT WONT BE A WASHOUT BY ANY MEANS. HAVE CUT BACK TEMPS
FROM MOS SLIGHTLY ACROSS THE NORTH. MODELS SHOWING 850MB TEMPS
DROPPING TO THE 10-12C RANGE...WHICH WOULD SUPPORT U70S IN THE
VALLEYS BUT CLOUDS SHOULD KEEP US FROM SEEING FULL POTENTIAL OF
THAT.

FORECAST GETS A LITTLE MORE UNCERTAIN TUESDAY NIGHT. AS RIDGING
MOVES TO OUR EAST AND OUR FLOW ALOFT TURNS BACK TO SOUTHWEST...WAA
BEGINS. NEXT SYSTEM ALSO BEGINS DIGGING SOUTHEAST ACROSS THE GREAT
LAKES AREA. GFS IS FASTER THAN NAM WITH BRINGING IN CLDS AND SOME
LIGHT PRECIP BY LATE TUESDAY NIGHT. PREFER TO SIDE WITH GFS...AS
IT SEEMS QUITE OFTEN THAT WAA PRECIP AND CLOUDS HAPPEN FASTER THAN
MODELS MAY SUGGEST. HAVE INCREASED POPS FOR WEDNESDAY GENERALLY
ALONG THE LINES OF GUIDANCE AND INTO THE LIKELY RANGE. NOT QUITE
SURE HOW THE PRECIP WILL TURN OUT...WILL IT BE MORE OF A
STRATIFORM RAIN TRANSITIONING TO THUNDERSTORMS AS WE GET DEEPER
INTO A WARM/MOIST AIRMASS AFTER THE WARM FRONT MOVES THRU...OR
JUST PLAIN SHOWERY OR JUST PLAIN STRATIFORM. INSTABILITY DOESNT
LOOK TOO IMPRESSIVE IN MODELS...SO PAINTED IN PRIMARILY SHOWERS
FOR THE DAY...ONLY INCLUDED A SLIGHT CHANCE OF AFTN TSTMS IN THE
GRIDS (TOO SMALL OF A CHANCE TO SHOW UP IN THE TEXT ZFP BY THE
WAY). THREAT FOR DEEPER CONVECTION/TSTMS LOOKS BETTER FOR THURSDAY.

STILL LIKELY TO BE SOME FUTURE MODIFICATIONS ON HOW THE SCENARIO
IS EXPECTED TO EVOLVE FOR THE WEDNESDAY EVENT. AT THIS TIME IT
DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE EITHER A SIGNIFICANT SEVERE OR FLOOD THREAT.

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.LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY/...
AS OF 333 PM EDT MONDAY...THE LONG TERM FCST HAS NUMEROUS CHALLENGES
WITH LIMITED RUN TO RUN CONTINUITY BTWN THE 00Z AND 12Z RUNS IN
THE ECMWF AND GFS. WL TREND TWD THE 00Z GFS ENSEMBLES FCST...WITH
SOME BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF. THE LATEST ENSEMBLES
CONTS TO SHOW MID/UPPER LVL TROF ACRS CENTRAL CANADA INTO THE NE
CONUS WITH STRONG ULVL RIDGE ACRS THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES.
MEANWHILE...THE LATEST 12Z GFS SHOWS THIS MID/UPPER LVL RIDGE
BUILDING INTO THE OHIO VALLEY/MID ATLANTIC STATES LATE SATURDAY
INTO NEXT MONDAY...AS TROF LIFTS INTO EASTERN CANADA.
HOWEVER...FEEL GFS IS TOO AGGRESSIVE WITH DEVELOPMENT OF
RIDGE...ESPECIALLY WITH FAST WEST TO NORTHWEST FLW ALOFT PROGGED
TO BE ACRS THE NE CONUS FROM DEEP TROF. THEREFORE...WL LWR TEMPS
SLIGHTLY OVER THE WEEKEND AND CONT TO MENTION CHCS OF AFTN/EVENING
SHOWERS/STORMS. GIVEN...THE FAST WESTERLY FLW ALOFT WITH EMBEDDED
VORTS RIDING ALONG A SURFACE COLD FRNT ON THURS INTO FRIDAY WL
MENTION SCATTERED SHOWERS/STORMS. PROGGED 85H TEMPS BEHIND THIS
FRNT BTWN 10-12C SUPPORT HIGHS ON THURSDAY IN THE 70S. ON
FRIDAY...WEAK SHORT WAVE RIDGE TRIES TO BUILD INTO OUR CWA...AHEAD
OF NEXT PIECE OF ENERGY DIVING DOWN ACRS THE GREAT LAKES IN THE
FLW ALOFT. WL KEEP FRIDAY DRY ATTM...BUT WL MENTION LOW CHC FOR
SHOWERS SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY...WITH BEST POTENTIAL ACRS OUR
NORTHERN CWA. LATEST 12Z GFS SHOW PROGGED 85H TEMPS SURGING TO 20C
BY 00Z MONDAY...WHICH WOULD SUPPORT HIGHS WELL INTO THE U80S TO
L90S...BUT FEEL THIS IS TOO QUICK AND AGGRESSIVE GIVEN THE FLW
ALOFT. THE GFS CONTS TO SHOW LLVL WAA ACRS OUR CWA ON NEXT MONDAY
AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING SFC COLD WITH PROGGED 85H TEMPS BTWN 20
AND 22C. MEANWHILE...ECMWF SHOWS BEST LLVL WAA WITH PROGGED 85H
TEMPS AROUND 20C...ACRS THE MID ATLANTIC STATES AND THE OHIO
VALLEY. WL TREND TWD THE COOLER ECMWF ATTM...GIVEN THE TRENDS THIS
SUMMER.

&&

.AVIATION /20Z MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/...
THROUGH 18Z TUESDAY...MID/UPPER LVL TROF CONTS TO IMPACT TAF SITES
TODAY. WATER VAPOR SHOWS POTENT 5H VORT ENTERING THE SLV WITH WEAK
SFC CONVERGENCE LINE FROM WESTERN NY INTO SOUTHERN ONTARIO. WL USE
VCSH THRU 23Z THIS AFTN FOR HIGH BASED ISOLATED TO SCATTERED
SHOWERS CAUSED BY COOL POOL ALOFT AND SFC DESTABILIZATION. A BRIEF
PERIOD OF MVFR CONDITIONS WL BE POSSIBLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
STRONGER SHOWERS. OTHERWISE...BASED ON RADAR HAVE TEMPO RUT BTWN
18-19Z FOR SHOWER APPROACHING THE RUTLAND TAF SITE. THIS EVENING
WEAK SFC TROF UPSTREAM WL MOVE ACRS OUR CWA AND PRODUCE MORE
SCATTERED SHOWERS. HAVE MENTION TEMPO BTWN 00Z-04Z TO COVER THE
POTENTIAL FOR MORE HIGH BASED SHOWERS.

NEXT TAF CONCERN WL BE AREAL COVERAGE OF FOG TONIGHT. WL MENTION
VFR PREVAILING CONDITIONS AT MPV/SLK WITH TEMPO BTWN 08-12Z FOR
VLIFR CONDITIONS IN FOG WITH VIS 1/2SM AND OVC001.
TUESDAY...SOUNDINGS SHOW PLENTY OF MOISTURE TRAPPED BLW TEMP
INVERSION...WHICH COMBINED WITH STEEP SFC TO 850MB AND UPSLOPE FLW
WL PRODUCE PLENTY OF STRATO CUMULUS CLOUDS AND MAYBE A BRIEF
SHOWER ACRS AT MPV/SLK SITES. SOME DOWNSLOPE DRYING WL OCCUR AT
PBG WITH A FEW BREAKS POSSIBLE IN THE BROKEN TO OVERCAST SKIES
BTWN 030-040KFT.

18Z TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY...MID/UPPER LVL TROF SLOWLY LIFTS
AWAY FROM THE NE CONUS AS RIDGE DEVELOPS AND WEAK SFC WARM FRNT
MOVES ACRS OUR TAF STIES. THIS WL PROVIDE TAFS WITH ANOTHER CHC OF
SHOWERS/STORMS LATE WEDS INTO THURS...WITH MVFR TO VFR CONDITIONS
POSSIBLE IN THE STRONGEST SHOWERS. SOME VLIFR CONDITIONS WL ONCE
AGAIN BE POSSIBLE ON WEDS AND THURS MORNINGS AT MPV/SLK ASSOCIATED
WITH FOG.

&&

.BTV WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
VT...NONE.
NY...NONE.

&&

SYNOPSIS...NASH
NEAR TERM...NASH
SHORT TERM...NASH
LONG TERM...TABER
AVIATION...TABER/NASH

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT
348 AM EDT MON JUL 28 2008

NYZ026>031-034-035-087-VTZ001>012-016>019-290800-
NORTHERN ST. LAWRENCE-NORTHERN FRANKLIN-EASTERN CLINTON-
SOUTHEASTERN ST. LAWRENCE-SOUTHERN FRANKLIN-WESTERN CLINTON-
WESTERN ESSEX-EASTERN ESSEX-SOUTHWESTERN ST. LAWRENCE-GRAND ISLE-
WESTERN FRANKLIN-ORLEANS-ESSEX-WESTERN CHITTENDEN-LAMOILLE-CALEDONIA-
WASHINGTON-WESTERN ADDISON-ORANGE-WESTERN RUTLAND-WINDSOR-
EASTERN FRANKLIN-EASTERN CHITTENDEN-EASTERN ADDISON-EASTERN RUTLAND-
348 AM EDT MON JUL 28 2008

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR NORTHERN NEW YORK...CENTRAL
VERMONT...NORTHEAST VERMONT...NORTHWEST VERMONT AND SOUTHERN
VERMONT.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY

NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

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PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BURLINGTON VT
728 PM EDT MON JUL 28 2008

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

0725 PM     HAIL             OGDENSBURG              44.71N 75.47W
07/28/2008  E0.25 INCH       ST. LAWRENCE       NY   TRAINED SPOTTER

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