Severe Thunderstorm Warning 119, NWS La Crosse, WI

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1145 PM CDT TUE SEP 4 2012

.SHORT TERM...TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT
256 PM CDT TUE SEP 4 2012

MAIN FORECAST CONCERNS ARE ON CONVECTION THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING
AND ASSOCIATED SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL.

CURRENTLY AS OF 20Z...WATER VAPOR LOOP AND RAP 500MB HEIGHT ANALYSIS
SHOWED A POTENT SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER SOUTHERN SASKATCHEWAN INTO
EASTERN MONTANA...THEN NEAR ZONAL TO SLIGHT SOUTHWEST FLOW STREAMING
EAST INTO NEW ENGLAND. WITHIN THIS FLOW...A SHORTWAVE WAS PRESENT
OVER FAR WESTERN WISCONSIN...WITH SOME WEAK RIDGING RIGHT BEHIND IT
OVER MINNESOTA. MOSTLY SUNNY SKIES AFTER THE FOG BURNED OFF THIS
MORNING HAS ALLOWED FOR STRONG HEATING ACROSS THE AREA. WITH 12Z
RAOBS HAVING 850MB TEMPS AROUND 18C...TEMPERATURES HAVE CLIMBED INTO
THE MID TO UPPER 80S. DEWPOINTS REMAIN MUGGY FOR THIS TIME OF
YEAR...IN THE MID 60S TO AROUND 70. THE COMBINATION OF THE
TEMPERATURES AND DEWPOINTS HAS RESULTED IN MLCAPE VALUES OF
2000-3000 J/KG WITH LITTLE CIN. AT THE SURFACE...LOW PRESSURE WAS
NEAR AITKIN MN WITH A DRY-LINE ARCING THROUGH NORTHWEST WI INTO
SOUTHEAST MN. PLENTY OF CUMULUS GOING UP AHEAD OF THIS DRY LINE.
STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE NEXT HOUR OR TWO OUT OF THIS
CUMULUS FIELD. BIG CONCERN FOR SEVERE WEATHER IS WIND GIVEN
MID-LEVEL DRY AIR PRESENT...SEEN ON BOTH WATER VAPOR AND THE 12Z MPX
SOUNDING.  TO THE WEST...FAIRLY QUIET ACROSS THE DAKOTAS AHEAD OF
THE POTENT TROUGH. HOWEVER...ANOTHER SURFACE LOW HAS DEVELOPED AHEAD
OF IT NEAR PIERRE. IN ADDITION... GOES PRECIPITABLE WATER IMAGERY
SHOWS MOISTURE BEGINNING TO SURGE TO THE NORTHWEST THROUGH EASTERN
NEBRASKA AHEAD OF THE SURFACE LOW/UPPER TROUGH.

REST OF THE AFTERNOON...ASSUMING CONVECTION FIRES IN THE CUMULUS
FIELD...WHICH IS INDICATED BY MANY MESO-MODELS...EXPECTING IT TO
PROPAGATE EAST-SOUTHEAST QUICKLY DURING THE NEXT FEW HOURS. THIS IS
DUE TO THE DRY MID LEVEL AIR ALLOWING FOR RAPID MOVING OUTFLOW AS
WELL AS THE MAIN SHORTWAVE ACCOMPANYING IT SHIFTING INTO EASTERN
WISCONSIN BY 00Z. THEREFORE...THINKING THE SEVERE THREAT AND
PROBABLY MUCH OF THE PRECIPITATION WILL END BY 00Z. ONLY CAVEAT
COULD BE IN FAR SOUTHWEST WI AND FAR NORTHEAST IA WHERE THERE ARE
HINTS THE TAIL END OF CONVECTION COULD STALL OUT. KEPT SOME HIGHER
CHANCES OF PRECIPITATION DOWN THERE JUST IN CASE.

TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY...THE POTENT SHORTWAVE OVER EASTERN MONTANA IS
FORECAST TO MOVE INTO WESTERN MINNESOTA BY 12Z WEDNESDAY. AS THIS
OCCURS...THE MOISTURE SEEN LIFTING UP THROUGH EASTERN NEBRASKA RIGHT
NOW IS GOING TO GET ISENTROPICALLY LIFTED UP TOWARDS US. SO AFTER
SOME BRIEF SHORTWAVE RIDGING AND SUBSIDENCE THIS EVENING...ANOTHER
ROUND OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS LOOKS LIKELY. DEVELOPMENT MAY
OCCUR SOUTH OF I-90 AS EARLY AS 03Z AS SUGGESTED BY THE 04.12Z
NAM/GFS. BETTER POTENTIAL FOR PRECIPITATION FOR THE ENTIRE AREA IS
AFTER MIDNIGHT AS THE SHORTWAVE APPROACHES AND 850MB MOISTURE
TRANSPORT REALLY INCREASES. MID-LEVEL FLOW IS NICELY DIFFLUENT TOO
AHEAD OF THE WAVE...AIDING IN FORCING. MCS DEVELOPMENT IS CERTAINLY
POSSIBLE...AS NOTED BY THE 04.12Z ECMWF/UKMET/CANADIAN/NAM.
REGARDING SEVERE CONCERN...1-6KM SHEAR VALUES VARY FROM MODEL TO
MODEL. NAM IS ON THE ORDER OF 30-40 KT WHILE THE GFS IS 20-30KT. THE
NAM WOULD DEFINITELY GIVE A SEVERE WEATHER CONCERN...WITH BOTH HAIL
AND DAMAGING WINDS POSSIBLE. THE GFS NOT AS MUCH SO. THEREFORE...
THINK THE SPC\S DAY 1 OUTLOOK SLIGHT RISK IDEA IS APPROPRIATE. A BIG
NOTE...THERE IS A POSSIBILITY MCS DEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR FARTHER
SOUTH SAY MORE OVER IOWA. IF IT DOES...CORFIDI VECTORS WOULD TAKE IT
SOUTHEAST...LIMITING SOME OF THE CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY OVER THE
FORECAST AREA. SHORTWAVE TROUGH IS PROGGED TO HEAD EAST TO CENTRAL
UPPER MICHIGAN AND LAKE MICHIGAN BY 18Z...ALLOWING STRONG ISENTROPIC
DESCENT TO FILTER INTO THE AREA AND CLEAR OUT THE
PRECIPITATION/CLOUDS. COLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY TOO LOOKS TO BE THROUGH
THE AREA AROUND 18Z. 850MB TEMPS FALL QUITE A BIT WITH THE PASSAGE
OF THE TROUGH. THROUGH 12Z WEDNESDAY...THEY HOVER BETWEEN 18-20C. BY
00Z THURSDAY...THOUGH... THEY FALL TO 12-14C. THUS...ANTICIPATE A
COOLER DAY TOMORROW...MORE AROUND SEASONABLE NORMALS.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THURSDAY...TROUGHING OVER THE FORECAST AREA AS A
RESULT OF THAT POTENT SHORTWAVE MOVING THROUGH WEDNESDAY LOOKS TO BE
SHORT-LIVED. THAT IS BECAUSE ANOTHER POTENT TROUGH IS PROGGED TO
DROP SOUTH INTO MONTANA BY 12Z THURSDAY. THERE WILL BE ENOUGH
SUBSIDENCE AND DRY AIR PERSISTING IN THE WAKE OF WEDNESDAY\S
SHORTWAVE SUCH THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT STAYS DRY. AT THE SURFACE...A
HIGH PRESSURE RIDGE IS PROGGED TO BUILD INTO WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE
FORECAST AREA BY 12Z THURSDAY. GIVEN THE RIDGE POSITION...ENOUGH OF
A NORTHWESTERLY BREEZE SHOULD OCCUR TO PREVENT ANY FOG AT LEAST IN
THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY. OTHER SMALLER VALLEYS LIKE THE
WISCONSIN MAY STILL BE SUSCEPTIBLE...THOUGH. COOLER NIGHT LIKELY
WITH WINDS LIGHTENING UP THROUGH THE NIGHT AS WELL AS CLEAR SKIES.
SOME OF THE TYPICAL COLD SPOTS COULD FALL INTO THE MID 40S. ON
THURSDAY...THAT POTENT TROUGH DIGS DOWN A LITTLE MORE THROUGH
MONTANA...SETTING UP WEST-SOUTHWEST MID LEVEL FLOW OVER THE AREA.
WITHIN THIS FLOW...THERE COULD BE A SHORTWAVE SKIMMING ACROSS
NORTHERN WISCONSIN IN THE AFTERNOON...BUT OTHERWISE MODELS DO NOT
SHOW ANY OTHER SHORTWAVES OF SIGNIFICANCE. HOWEVER..WITH THAT POTENT
TROUGH DIGGING A LITTLE MORE...IT SETS UP A 310-315K ISENTROPIC
LIFT/MID-LEVEL FRONTOGENESIS ZONE DOWNSTREAM ACROSS THE NORTHERN
PLAINS INTO OUR REGION. LOOKS LIKE ANY PRECIPITATION RESULTING FROM
THIS FORCING WILL STAY WEST OF OUR AREA...BUT AN INCREASE IN
MID/HIGH CLOUDS IS LIKELY...ESPECIALLY IN THE AFTERNOON. 850MB TEMPS
OF 12-14C COMBINED WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF SUN AND THE DRY AIR
SHOULD ALLOW FOR TEMPERATURES TO CLIMB INTO THE MID TO UPPER 70S.

THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY...THE POTENT TROUGH OVER MONTANA IS
FORECAST TO DIG SOUTHEAST DURING THIS PERIOD...BEING PUSHED BY
RIDGING DROPPING DOWN INTO SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. BY 00Z SATURDAY...A
LONG WAVE TROUGH SHOULD EXTEND FROM NORTHEAST ONTARIO...INTO THE
FORECAST AREA AND INTO NEBRASKA. THE MAIN ISSUE WITH THIS POTENT
TROUGH COMING TOWARDS THE AREA IS WHERE DOES THE FRONTOGENESIS ZONE
AHEAD OF IT LAY UP...AND THUS THE ASSOCIATED PRECIPITATION. THE
04.00Z ECMWF KEPT THE BULK OF IT ACROSS IOWA THURSDAY NIGHT AND INTO
ILLINOIS AND MISSOURI ON FRIDAY...THUS FOR THE MOST PART OUR
FORECAST AREA ENDS UP DRY. THE 04.12Z NAM IS FARTHER NORTH...HAVING
PRECIPITATION FALL SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 94 AFTER MIDNIGHT THURSDAY
NIGHT AND FRIDAY. 04.12Z GFS IS A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING. THE MODEL
SUGGESTS SOME HIGHER LEVEL FRONTOGENESIS PRODUCING A BAND OF MOSTLY
LIGHT RAIN...WHICH SLOWLY DROPS SOUTH THROUGH THE AREA AFTER
MIDNIGHT THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY. THESE BANDS SOMETIMES VERIFY
AND OTHER TIMES NOT. OVERALL...THE BULK OF THE PRECIPITATION IN THE
GFS FALLS TO THE SOUTH. IN ANY EVENT...ALL MODELS SUGGEST A NEED TO
INCREASE PRECIPITATION CHANCES UP TO 40 FOR NOW...MAINLY SOUTH OF
I-90. FURTHER REFINEMENTS WILL BE NEEDED AS WE GET CLOSER TO THIS
PERIOD. WITH MORE CLOUDS AS WELL AS COOLER AIR COMING IN WITH THE
UPPER TROUGH...ANTICIPATE THIS PERIOD TO BE MUCH COOLER THAN AS OF
LATE. THIS WILL BE ESPECIALLY TRUE ON FRIDAY AS 850MB TEMPS FALL TO
6-9C. HIGHS ON FRIDAY MAY GET STUCK IN THE 60S...ESPECIALLY IF IT
RAINS ALL DAY LIKE THE NAM.

.LONG TERM...FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY
256 PM CDT TUE SEP 4 2012

04.12Z ECMWF/GFS/CANADIAN AND GFS ENSEMBLES ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT
AMONGST EACH OTHER TODAY COMPARED TO YESTERDAY...MOSTLY WITH REGARDS
TO HANDLING WHETHER THE UPPER TROUGH COMING THROUGH THE FORECAST
AREA FRIDAY ENDS UP CLOSING OFF IN THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY.
INTERESTINGLY...THE 04.12Z ECMWF/CANADIAN AND GFS HAVE NOW
FLIP-FLOPPED WITH EACH OTHER...WITH THE ECMWF/CANADIAN NOW MORE
PROGRESSIVE AND THE GFS CLOSING OFF. FOR OUR AREA...THOUGH...WHICH
EVER SOLUTION PANS OUT REALLY DOESN\T MATTER...AS BOTH SCENARIOS
BUILD HIGH PRESSURE INTO THE FORECAST AREA FOR THE WEEKEND. SO MAYBE
AFTER A FEW LINGERING SHOWERS IN NORTHEAST IA/SOUTHWEST WI FRIDAY
NIGHT...EXPECT DECREASING CLOUDS AND DRY WEATHER FOR THE WEEKEND.
CERTAINLY LOOKS COOL COMPARED TO WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN RECENTLY...
THANKS TO 850MB TEMPS OF 6-8C ON SATURDAY AND 10-12C ON SUNDAY.
WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF SOME OF THE TYPICAL COLD SPOTS END UP
SEEING SOME UPPER 30S.

FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK...UPPER RIDGING OVER THE WESTERN U.S. IS
FORECAST TO BUILD UP INTO THE FORECAST AREA...BUT FLATTEN PRETTY
QUICKLY BY TUESDAY AS A SHORTWAVE TROUGH CROSSING SOUTHERN CANADA.
WILL SEE A WARM UP WITH THE RIDGING COMING IN...AT LEAST BACK TO
NORMAL. DRY CONDITIONS SHOULD CONTINUE AS WELL WITH THE HIGH
PRESSURE OVER THE WEEKEND BLOCKING GULF OF MEXICO MOISTURE RETURN.

&&

.AVIATION...
1145 PM CDT TUE SEP 4 2012

ANOTHER ROUND OF THUNDERSTORMS WILL IMPACT THE AREA AS AN
ORGANIZED MCS DRIVES ACROSS THE REGION BETWEEN 05-09Z. STRONG WINDS
WILL ACCOMPANY THE STORMS INITIALLY...LIKELY IMPACTING KRST BETWEEN
0530-07Z AND 07-08Z AT KLSE. THE STRONGEST WINDS COULD BE ON A
WEAKENING TREND AS THE STORMS REACH KLSE...HOWEVER.

SHRA/TS COULD LINGER THROUGH WED MORNING...BUT THE BULK OF THIS
ACTIVITY SHOULD HAVE EXITED EAST BY 18Z AS A COLD FRONT SWEEPS
ACROSS THE UPPER MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY. TIMING IS ROUGHLY 16Z AT
KRST AND 18Z AT KLSE.

CLEARING FOR WED NIGHT...AND CONSIDERING THE RAINFALL...SOME
INGREDIENTS FOR FOG. AS OF NOW...THINK LOW LEVEL WINDS WILL BE
STIRRING TOO MUCH...THUS INHIBITING THE FOG. OF COURSE THIS WILL BE
RE-EVALUATED FOR LATER TAF ISSUANCES.

&&

.ARX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
256 PM CDT TUE SEP 4 2012

WI...NONE.
MN...NONE.
IA...NONE.

&&

SHORT TERM...AJ
LONG TERM....AJ
AVIATION.....RIECK

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1219 AM CDT WED SEP 5 2012

IAZ008>011-018-019-029-030-MNZ079-086>088-094>096-WIZ017-029-032>034-
041>044-053>055-061-051000-
ADAMS-ALLAMAKEE-BUFFALO-CHICKASAW-CLARK-CLAYTON-CRAWFORD-DODGE-
FAYETTE-FILLMORE-FLOYD-GRANT-HOUSTON-HOWARD-JACKSON-JUNEAU-LA CROSSE-
MITCHELL-MONROE-MOWER-OLMSTED-RICHLAND-TAYLOR-TREMPEALEAU-VERNON-
WABASHA-WINNESHIEK-WINONA-
1219 AM CDT WED SEP 5 2012

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST
MINNESOTA...NORTHEAST IOWA...AND SOUTHWEST INTO CENTRAL WISCONSIN.

.DAY ONE...OVERNIGHT

MORE THUNDERSTORMS WILL MOVE IN FROM THE WEST OVERNIGHT...SOME OF
WHICH WILL BE STRONG TO SEVERE. DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH...
LARGE HAIL AND HEAVY RAIN ARE THE THREATS. IN ADDITION...SOME PARTS
OF NORTHEAST IOWA AND SOUTHWEST WISCONSIN...SPECIALLY FROM NEAR
LANSING IOWA TO AROUND LANCASTER WISCONSIN AND THE SOUTHEAST
CORNER OF WINNESHIEK COUNTY IOWA...RECEIVED CONSIDERABLE RAIN FROM
EARLIER STORMS. ADDITIONAL HEAVY RAINFALL IN THESE AREAS WOULD LIKELY
RESULT IN FLASH FLOODING.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY

THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE ON GOING WEDNESDAY MORNING...WITH MOST OF THE
STORMS EXITING EAST BY EARLY AFTERNOON. A FEW STRONG TO SEVERE STORMS
CANNOT BE RULED OUT.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION MAY BE NEEDED AGAIN OVERNIGHT. RAINFALL REPORTS
WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

.EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATION...

NO WEBINAR IS SCHEDULED.

HALBACH/ZT/AJ/RIECK

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1050 PM CDT TUE SEP 04 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1037 PM     HAIL             CALMAR                  43.18N 91.87W
09/04/2012  E1.50 INCH       WINNESHIEK         IA   CO-OP OBSERVER

&&

ADAMS

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1200 AM CDT WED SEP 05 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1156 PM     HAIL             CHARLES CITY            43.07N 92.68W
09/04/2012  E0.50 INCH       FLOYD              IA   FIRE DEPT/RESCUE

&&

ADAMS

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1234 AM CDT WED SEP 05 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1234 AM     TSTM WND GST     AUSTIN                  43.67N 92.97W
09/05/2012  M53 MPH          MOWER              MN   AWOS

&&

ADAMS

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1242 AM CDT WED SEP 05 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1230 AM     TSTM WND GST     CHARLES CITY            43.07N 92.68W
09/05/2012  M40 MPH          FLOYD              IA   AWOS

&&

ADAMS

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1246 AM CDT WED SEP 05 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1230 AM     TSTM WND GST     CHARLES CITY            43.07N 92.68W
09/05/2012  M46.00 MPH       FLOYD              IA   AWOS

&&

ADAMS

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI
1249 AM CDT WED SEP 05 2012

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

1246 AM     TSTM WND GST     DODGE CENTER            44.03N 92.85W
09/05/2012  M59 MPH          DODGE              MN   AWOS

&&

ADAMS